Neal Holland

Thanks John and good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide 5 with our GAAP and adjusted earnings for the quarter. On an adjusted basis, we reported net income to common shareholders of $230 million and diluted EPS of $1.34. Adjustments consisted of a pretax $20 million securities repositioning charge a $16 million impact from the exit of noncorporate factoring operations and a $22 million of strategic restructuring costs.
Turning to slide 6, total assets were $79 billion at period end, at $2.6 billion from the second quarter, mirrored by robust deposit growth of $2.2 billion. Deposit growth was aided by a seasonal surge in public funds of $1.1 billion. As a result of the substantial deposit growth, we are holding higher cash balances than we have historically. We also exhibited solid loan growth of 1.3% excluding the securitization. The loan to deposit ratio was 80.5%.
The [end year] book value increased to $33.26 per common share with the increase from the prior quarter driven by retained earnings and positive movement in AOCI due to the low rate environment. Capital levels improved significantly. The common equity tier one ratio was 11.23% of 64 basis points three quarter. And our tangible common equity ratio was 7.48%.
In addition to internal capital generation, the TCE ratio benefited from the improvement in AOCI. The common equity tier one ratio also benefited from several actions we undertook to optimize asset risk weighting as well as the securitization. In total, these actions added 44 basis points to our common equity tier one ratio.
Loan trends are highlighted on slide 7. In total, loans were up $374 million or 0.7% linked quarter, excluding CRE, other loan categories grew by 3.2% this quarter. Commercial real estate balances were down $570 million as we experienced some natural attrition in addition to the securitization. This accelerates our path to our target of 250% of capital plus reserves.
The securitization frees capacity and adds -- and allows us to add commercial real estate relationships with attractive risk reward characteristics. The yield on the portfolio is flat given the mix of new loan originations and repricing of floating rate loans on the September fed move.
We provide additional detail on deposits on slide 8. We grew total deposits by $2.2 billion with diverse growth across categories. The pace was accelerated this quarter due to seasonal inflows of public deposits and a discrete opportunity with an HSA bank that added $400 million of low-cost deposits.
CBA balances increased by over $700 million this quarter with the majority of the increase coming from seasonal effects. However, it is still encouraging to see normalization in the DDA balances after several quarters of declines.
Moving to slide 9, net interest income was up $18 million from the prior quarter driven by balance sheet growth and higher earning asset yields. Adjusted noninterest income was up, $1 million. Adjusted expenses were up $2 million and the provision decreased by $5 million.
Excluding adjustments, our tax rate was 22.2%. Overall adjusted net income was up $14 million relative to the prior quarter. Our efficiency ratio was 45%.
On slide 10, we highlight net interest income which increased $8 million or 3.1% linked quarter driven by balance sheet growth and the increased earning asset yield. The net interest margin was up 4 basis points to 336 basis points. Our yield on earning assets increased 4 basis points over the prior quarter with loan yields flat and the securities portfolio of 24 basis points.
In the third quarter, we incrementally sold securities with a book value of $304 million and reinvested with an approximate 400 basis points improvement in yield with minimal impact to capital ratios. We anticipate an earn-back of less than two years. On that, we were able to maintain our total deposit costs effectively flat for the quarter.
Slide 11 illustrates the progress Webster has made in mitigating its asset sensitivity over the past three years by increasing the duration of our assets and reducing the duration of our liabilities.
On slide 12 is not interest income, which was up $1 million versus prior quarter on an adjusted basis. Adjusted income included both a $3.8 million negative CBA and a $4.4 million gain on the securitization. We continue to experience pressure on core fee growth. Year over year, fees are up $3 million including the impact of the Ametros acquisition offset by year over year changes in CBA.
Noninterest expense is on slide 13. We reported adjusted expenses of $328 million, up $2 million for the prior quarter driven by modest increases in technology, human capital and occupancy costs.
Slide 14 details components of our allowance for credit losses, which was up $19 million relative to the prior quarter. After booking $35 million in net charge offs, we recorded $54 million provision, primarily due to credit factors. As a result, our allowance coverage to loans increased to 132 basis points from 130 basis points last quarter.
Slide 15 highlights our key asset quality metrics. As you can see on the four charts, we saw continued migration in the quarter. Net charge-offs came in at $36 million versus $33 million in the prior quarter.
On slide 16, we enhanced our [R&D] already strong capital levels. As we noted previously, we took several actions to improve our capital ratios in the quarter including reviewing the risk weighting of our multifamily, lender finance and public sector portfolios, as well as the securitization of multifamily loans.
These actions in combination with organic capital generation and lower AOCI losses led to a significant increase in our capital ratios this quarter. I will wrap up my comments on slide 17 with our outlet for the fourth quarter.
We expect loans to grow by 1% to 1.5% with growth across the diverse categories including the potential for some modest growth in commercial real estate. We are anticipating deposits will decline by around 1% as seasonality in the public funds business leads to outflows. We expect net interest income in the range of $590 million to $600 million on a non-FTE basis. This is within the guidance range we provided on the second quarter earnings call.
Our net interest income outlet assumes 50 basis points of cuts in the first, fourth quarter with 25 basis points each in November and December. Adjusted noninterest income will be $85 million to $90 million. We anticipate that adjusted expenses will be in the range of $335 million with an efficiency ratio in the mid 40s. Our near term common equity tier one ratio remains 11%.
With that, I'll turn it back to John for closing remarks.

John Ciulla

Thanks Neal. I'm anticipating we'll receive questions on our priorities for capital allocation given the sharp increase in our capital ratios in the quarter. While we continue to prioritize funding organic balance sheet growth and complementary tuck in acquisitions, our capacity to return capital to shareholders has increased since the second quarter and we will be prudent and proactive managers of capital.
We are well positioned to maintain our profitability profile. As Neal detailed, we have proactively managed our balance sheet over the past year to ensure stable net interest income in a declining interest rate environment, both in terms of managing our funding costs and tweaking the profile of our earning assets.
We have capacity and capability to grow our balance sheet via a diversified mix of loan and deposit categories while at the same time, maintaining flexibility on capital allocation. And our efficiency ratio remains among the best of our peers.
We have retained superior profitability even as we invest in people, processes and technology. On the latter, over the last 24 months, we have made significant investments to strengthen our technology foundation including the modernization of our core banking platform, building advanced BSA AML competencies and heightening our cyber security and cloud capabilities.
Finally, I'd like to thank our colleagues for their continued effort. Their hard work is reflected in our performance this quarter, particularly in our strong deposit growth in favorable categories. Thank you again for joining us today. Operator, we will open the line to questions.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. (Operator Instructions)
Chris McGratty, KBW.

Chris McGratty

Hey, good morning,

John Ciulla

Good morning.

Chris McGratty

Maybe John and Neal, the actions you took with the balance sheet obviously set up for a better, more neutrally position balance sheet going into '25. How do we think about, I guess [trough NII]. Is Q4 the trough? How are you thinking about it given you freed up a little bit of space on the balance sheet? Yeah, maybe I'll leave it there.

Neal Holland

Yeah, so we came in at $336 million for the quarter. As you look at how we exited Q3, we're going to be holding a little bit more cash on the balance sheet, which in Q4, will have a slight drag in them. So we're kind of in the -- Q4, we going to be in $332 million range and -- having that exit velocity in the next year and then kind of staying right in that level in the '25, is how we think about them NIM. So we think we're at a stable NIM. We may be plus or minus 3 basis points as we move forward, but that's the range we're looking at going forward in the '25.

Chris McGratty

Okay. Perfect. And then my follow up John, you alluded to the capital return flexibility. Could you maybe just rank order and also the timing, I wish you think you might be able to return more capital?

John Ciulla

Yeah, I mean, I think we always talk about kind of prioritizing for organic balance sheet growth, thinking about doing things like we've done with Ametros and Interlink and [Bend]. And then obviously if there's no other productive use of capital, I do think given where we are and the fact that we do think with interest rates coming down that we should see an inflection point in credit as we get into this quarter in the first half of '25 that we're more likely to begin repurchases again. Absent other organic opportunities to deploy that capital, Chris.
So I think we're there. We feel really good about our capital levels now and we have some more flexibility. So we're more likely than we were before in the next quarter or to begin share with purchases absent other uses of organic deployment.

Chris McGratty

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Jared Shaw, Barclays.

Jared Shaw

Hey, good morning, guys.

John Ciulla

Hey, Jared.

Jared Shaw

Looking at maybe loan growth as we exit '24 going into '25, how much additional attrition or headwind should we expect from CRE. It sort of sounds like maybe not that much. And should we expect or anticipate that maybe the overall loan growth rate starts to accelerate as we exit the year going into '25?

John Ciulla

Yeah, I mean, it's a great question, right? Loan growth has clearly been muted for the industry in the last couple of quarters. We did have a really good quarter, you know, many core C&I categories and I will say that that sort of pull through has continued early on in this quarter. Although we know that the fourth quarter is also subject to significant prepays and there's a lot of activity particularly on transactional sponsor and specialty deals. So that's why we didn't really change our guidance for the fourth quarter.
I think you've heard me say, for 10 years or so, we've been able to kind of grow commercial categories in the high single digits to around 10%. I think right now, our view of '25 Jared is that, you know, we see there's continued kind of modest loan demand. So I think right now, when we think about next year as a 5% kind of loan growth. We're going to give formal '25 guidance when we get into the January call.
Could we outperform that? Sure. I think I've always said, I think we can kind of form at or better than whatever the market allows. But I think if you read what others are saying and we look kind of at activity, I think '25 you know, may not be a blowout year but be more modest and similar to this year with respect to loan growth.
With respect to your question about mix and commercial real estate, obviously we're really pleased this quarter, and I think there's a bit of a template there for us. We had significant organic prepayments which I know many others in the industry have reported over the last couple of quarters in CRE. And then we did this securitization which actually was economically beneficial to us in terms of the gain on the transaction.
And we look at that not as just trying to drive down CRE balances as much as we can, but it gives us capacity to support our really good clients and in full relationships. We're really good at it. And so you will see some level of origination there. And then at the end of the day, as we grow our capital base and we grow our other C&I classes, you'll see either flat to modest growth overall in CRE with our ability to maybe exit non strategic CRE relationships.
But I think we showed this quarter, we can still grow loans at market while not relying on outsized CRE growth.

Jared Shaw

That's great color. Thanks. And then maybe for my follow up on the deposit side, you know, really good trends there. You know, as we're entering the enrollment season, what are your thoughts on maybe (technical difficulty) What do you think that. There could be some pressures or opportunity?

Luis Massiani

Oh, hello. Hey, Jared. It's Luis. So we do see -- we've seen pretty good early indicators that the enrollment season is going to be as good as we've seen in the recent couple of years. So we've made a fair amount of investments in a bunch of client facing technology. We launched the new investment management platform that you may have seen.
We rolled out earlier this year. And so we feel very good about the investments and how we positioned the -- and continue to position the HSA business. And we think that you're going to see similar to slightly, more faster deposit growth in 2025 relative to what we saw this year. So we feel good about where HSA is today.

John Ciulla

And Jared, as we usually do in January, we'll be able to give you a kind of a first look at new business and what we anticipate and then obviously at the end of the first quarter, we kind of can final tally what's come in. But I agree with Luis. I think it was a good selling season for HSA.

Jared Shaw

Great, thanks a lot.

John Ciulla

Thank you.

Operator

Mark Fitzgibbon, Piper Sandler.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Hey guys, good morning.

John Ciulla

Hey, Mark.

Mark Fitzgibbon

John, the Real Deal published an article late last week suggesting that you guys have two large office loans in New Jersey that are in default to the tune of about $140 million. I guess I'm wondering, are these on non-accrual in the third quarter? And do you have any specific reserves against them?

John Ciulla

Thanks for the for the question, Mark. Yeah, so both of those loans -- and let me make a couple comments. Obviously with a $52 billion loan book, we don't generally comment on specific relationships, single point exposures, litigation and so on and so forth. But obviously this has become a bit public. So what I will tell you is the high highlight numbers there are significantly overstate Webster's exposure. Those were two loans originated pre-merger. One has a Webster exposure under $45 million. The other one is Webster exposure under $25 million.
Both of those loans are on non-accrual at the end of the third quarter. Both of those loans have obviously been reviewed and there have been the appropriate charge offs and specific reserves put against those loans. As I mentioned in my early comments, two office loans drove the significant or not that what the increase was in non-performers in the quarter, those were the two loans.
And, we took charge off that contributed to the overall $36 million charge in the quarter. So that's what I'll tell you. Office charge-offs were 55% of the charge-offs in our quarter. So you can kind of triangulate from there. But we're pretty good about making sure that we are proactively managing things that things go nonperformer when they're supposed to go, and taking charges that we're supposed to take.
And so the good thing about being a company our size right now is we've got significant earnings power. We've got a very high loan loss reserve compared to our pure median. And so this quarter, it really didn't have an impact on our overall financial performance. And we feel pretty good that we've got enough reserves in not only those two loans but in our overall free portfolio that we continue to work down, to not have there be a material financial impact as we move forward.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Okay. That's great. And then just as a follow up, John. You guys have done a great job shrinking the office book. I guess I wondered if you could share with us what the reserve on the office portfolio is right now?

John Ciulla

Yeah, I think it's up 6%, Mark. I'll give you -- again, I'll repeat what I said Jason had talked to me when the portfolio was a billion dollars a quarter or so ago. You know, we talked about there being about a third of that, which is kind of hand-to-hand combat that we're working through these two credits that I just referenced, and you asked about.
We are obviously in that kind of third of difficult working through. We've got about a third of the portfolio that we don't worry about, that's highly leased that have long dated maturities and then the stuff in the middle, we continue to kind of just actively manage and we think we've got enough second and tertiary support as well as in place leases to kind of work through.
So when you think about 6% on the overall $917 million that's left, remember, there are some specific reserves as well and when you think about the reserving, we feel comfortable about it because it's really against that one-third of the portfolio, that's most problematic for us.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Thank you.

John Ciulla

Thank you. Mark

Operator

Matthew Breese, Stephens.

Matthew Breese

Hey, good morning, everybody. And I was hoping you could talk a little bit about expectations around loan and deposit betas over the next year or so. Whether you've had any early success tweaking and lowering deposit costs. If so where? And then the other side of the coin is just given over the quarters, you've reduced asset sensitivity, whether or not you think full cycle loan beta will match what we've seen during the hiking cycle, which was kind of the low 50% range.

Yeah, I'll jump in there. I think obviously we had our first cut in the cycle of 50 basis points and we took pretty quick action on the deposit portfolio and we repriced down $27 billion-$28 billion of that portfolio about of our deposit portfolio at about a 60% beta. So it's kind of $16 billion at 100% beta or if you look at our total book about 25% beta so far, is -- our interlink deposits basically 100% almost immediate beta and those are over $7 billion.
We saw some nice pricing down in our commercial deposit portfolio now, 60% beta so far on our online portfolio with Brio. And then a bunch of different moves on our consumer portfolio through the first cut. So, so we're feeling pretty good there. As you take a step back and look at our overall portfolio, within the next year, we expect approximately $30 billion of our loans and securities and cash to reprice. That's $28 billion in loans and a $1billion dollars in security.
So our securities book is fixed and long with less than a billion out of our $17 billion portfolio there variable. So we kind of look at that as the repricing side on the loans. And if you flip to the deposit side in the first five quarters of the up cycle with a 34% beta. And we're anticipating approximately 30 -- beta of 30 in the first five quarters down.
And if you think about a 30% beta on a $65 billion portfolio, you do the quick math there. That's about $19 billion to $20 billion at 100% beta. We have short borrowings, $3 billion and $4 billion will mature this quarter. And next, we've got a $5 billion hedge portfolio that helps support our current positioning. And then there's another large factor for us is that we have approximately $5 billion of fixed rate securities that mature and churn annually. And those are anticipated to roll over, roll off at about 4% and roll back on with new originations in the 6% range.
So the 200 basis points or so up. So when you kind of put all that together, we have a pretty well balanced position going into next year. And as you can see in our model results, a very neutral positioning despite us having a fairly large portion of variable rate load. So a long answer there, but I know it's an important topic and I think that the team has done a really good job positioning us for this down rate environment.

Matthew Breese

I appreciate all that. Thank you. And the follow up is just on expenses, expectations around expense growth over the next year or so. Specifically, it relates to preparation for $100 billion. Should we expect any acceleration in the coming quarters or year in expense growth as you get ready for this? And what areas do you expect to address as you kind of beef out infrastructure? Thank you.

John Ciulla

Matt. Thank you for the question. And this may leave you a little wanting for more. But as we said we're finishing up right now with PWC, our GAAP analysis and our plan for our March to category four. I always remind you that we're 3- to 4 years away from an organic growth perspective in hitting the $100 billion category.
And as we mentioned before, there will be additional expense for us to get there in terms of hiring people and building out reporting capabilities and technology and obviously the expense of [T-LAC]. And we're going through right now, kind of the cadence of running that through. And our plan is, as I mentioned in the last quarter that in January, when we give our '25 guidance, that will include kind of our fully loaded assumptions about what that means for expenses.
I also remind you that we have the 3- to 4 years to spread those expenses out. And you heard Neal mentioned earlier, for example, that we took some charges on severance and reorganization in the quarter and a lot of those moves in terms of exiting non-core businesses in looking at our organization will free up dollars to invest.
So as we move forward, you're going to get the answer to the question in January in our '25 guidance. We think that will put additional pressure on our expenses, but it won't be material. We still feel very confident in our ability to do deliver outsized returns as we go through this process. And so, Neal, I don't know if you want to put a little bit of more flavor around that. But.

Neal Holland

Yeah, I think you said that well, John. One of my initial concerns coming into the organization was, hey, we're running at a 45% efficiency ratio. Are there really opportunities to find more efficiency? And as John mentioned, the team has done a nice job putting together a small program. And with the restructuring charges we took this quarter, we expect our expense run rate next year to drop $17 million which won't flow all to the bottom line. We'll use some of those dollars to reinvest and prepare for category four.
So I think it's an example of how we can continue to find efficiencies to pave our way to that requirement. And as John mentioned, we'll talk about specific numbers in Q1. But you know, if you take a step back, we have a expense base, that's just over $1.3 billion. So 1% of that is $13 million.
If you add a percent to our expense growth rate over the next four years that probably hits a good chunk of what we need to build. I'm not saying that that's what's going to happen, but just kind of highlighting that it should be some incremental around the edges on the expense side versus a kind of a big pop up of one time expenses, is the current view.
But as John mentioned, we're not fully through the analysis on preparation and we're making good progress there and we'll give more details in Q1.

Matthew Breese

I appreciate all that. Thank you. That's all I have.

John Ciulla

Thank you, Matt.

Operator

Daniel Tamayo, Raymond James.

Daniel Tamayo

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I guess first, just a follow up on the credit side. John, I think you mentioned an inflection in credit could lead to the possibility for increased repurchases going forward. But how should we think about that? Do you think that that non-accruals are at or nearing a peak here?
Obviously, there's some uncertainty with how the whole office loan environment plays out. But, just curious how we should be thinking about those non-accrual, and kind of early-stage credit levels and how that plays into your thinking on net charge offs as well.

John Ciulla

Yeah, it's a terrific question, and one that I loathe answering just because it's difficult to predict. You know, we mentioned last quarter that this quarter would be less worse. If you were and it was -- we were marginally less worse. We've been through the entire portfolio. We are getting to a point where I think we've identified obviously all proactively all the real issues in the portfolio that we go through. And I again remind everybody that if you look at our absolute statistics, they're kind of still in line with pre pandemic statistics.
So I know a lot of CEOs are saying, we're trying to remind everybody that this hasn't been a cratering of credit. It's been sort of a return to normalcy on credit. Our hope right now and what we're looking at is, we've got interest rates coming down. We've already seen an increase in commercial real estate refinancing activity based on the behavior of the five year, and the forward curve.
And so as interest rates come down, if the Fed navigates this soft landing, I do think that we should see running through bank P&Ls and bank balance sheets, an inflection point in credit, certainly in the first half of '25. It's tough to call a particular quarter. We have seen some negative risk rating migration. We've been pleased that migration has not continued to result in higher levels of annualized charge offs.
And so it would be difficult for me to say, hey, we think 4Q is the bottom. But I do think all the macro factors and our understanding of our portfolio that the first half of '25 we should start to see kind of absolute improvement in the balance sheet.
And obviously, we have a forward look based on where we're trading. If you're asking the question with respect to capital allocation and return of capital, we've got lots of earnings, we've got really good reserves. So, you know, we'll put that all into the box and decide whether or not in the fourth quarter we start buybacks or whether or not that's the first half of '25 activity.

Daniel Tamayo

Okay. Terrific. Thanks for all that color. And then changing gears. Here just looking at loan growth side. You talked about how the fourth quarter could be impacted by some slower perhaps C&I and sponsor with the headwinds, you mentioned specifically prepayments.
But just curious, the pace of growth in the third quarter, what you saw there, if that picked up near the end of the quarter, if it was relatively steady. And then just also curious on the residential side, expectations for how much you're going to be adding to the portfolio relative to the other side of the house. Thanks.

John Ciulla

Yeah. Our primary focus is continuing to grow a myriad of C&I categories. I would say that the loan behaviors in the third quarter, interest in that 1.3% growth. If you take out the securitization, it was sort of more back ended if you will in the quarter, which gives us some momentum on NII as we go into Q4.
And as I said, we've continued to see pull through in the early in the fourth quarter. The reason we didn't up the guidance is because we know there's a lot of activity both on origination and pre payments in the quarter. And we don't really have full visibility yet.
I think, we still have pressure on our sponsor and specialty business from the proliferation of private credit. We're going to have our asset manager program hopefully up and running in the first quarter which should give us some additional momentum there. Our middle market perform well. Our public sector finance perform well. You know, we've got other levers to pull in asset based lending and in equipment finance.
So I think with our portfolio, we'll continue to be able to grow C&I categories, you'll probably see some level as Neal mentioned of modest growth in commercial real estate because right now if you're good at it and you can get really nice risk reward because there are fewer players in the market.
And then I think we'll sort of fill in with our mortgage originations, obviously serving our customers in our market and then some level of correspondent mortgage origination. So I would say it's balanced and an unbalanced. You know, we still think that kind of 5%, if 5%-ish annualized loan growth is the right number.

Daniel Tamayo

Okay, great. Thanks for all that color.

Operator

Bernard Gizycki, Deutsche Bank.

Bernard Gizycki

Hey guys, good morning. So on page 6 of the deck, you noted that you've identified and documented certain loans eligible to optimize RWI treatment. And I know you've been talking about this on the call, but just to elaborate a bit more on these actions. And if you could size how big this was to the capital improvement during the quarter.

Neal Holland

Yeah, so I think all of our actions in total were about 44 basis points for the quarter. We really went in and did deep dives into our multifamily lender finance and public sector portfolios and looked at the risk weighting. And I'll give you an example. In the public sector, we had a lot of loans sitting at 100% risk waiting and general obligation bonds could be at 20% in revenue pledge at 50%. So we did a lot of work to pull additional data and really optimize our risk waiting there. That's one example across the categories.
So, hopefully that and then -- as we mentioned, the securitization also helped drive increased capital levels and that was about 6 basis points, included in that 44 basis points that I just mentioned.

Bernard Gizycki

Okay. Yeah, that's helpful. So, and then on expenses obviously with technology, you basically highlighted you've been making significant investments in the tech stack, modernizing the core banking platform, the BSA ML cyber security cloud capabilities. During the quarter you also highlighted the tech spend increase sequentially, commercial services and occupancy costs. Could you just provide some color on those for the quarter on the tech professional and occupancy,

John Ciulla

Specific, Bernard, your question being like specific expenses related to those initiatives for the quarter?

Bernard Gizycki

Yeah.

John Ciulla

Because we don't really think about it that way. I think that this is -- every year we look at a rolling three year technology road map and investment initiatives and everything that you highlighted there and that we've highlighted in the specific items that you're talking about are part of no long-term strategy that we've been deploying. So there's nothing really new there that we would isolate as something that's going to be recurring long term in nature.
Neal alluded to what we expect expense expenses are going to be and kind of what the progression of those are going to be in the 2025. And that estimate of projection includes everything that we think is going to be required to continue to modernize the tech stack, build out the tech stack, invest in the various business funds, invest in risk management platforms.
And so it's all inclusive and we provide that guidance for 2025, we don't envision that there's going to be any outsized tech spend in 2025 relative to what you've seen this year. So we feel -- again, we feel pretty good about what our long term technology road map is and we have a clear path to making the investments in specific areas to support client experience while at the same time building out risk and operating platforms.

Bernard Gizycki

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

John Ciulla

Thanks, Bernard.

Operator

Laurie Hunsicker, Seaport.

Laurie Hunsicker

Yeah. Hi, good morning, gentlemen and Neal welcome. Just to go back to office here and certainly appreciate office is only 2% of your book. And you've been very proactive and transparent, but on your $54 million of loan loss provisions that you took this quarter, how much of that was office?
And then of the two loans that are new and non-performing that $45 million and $25 million, can you help us think a little bit about what is the occupancy, what's the new debt service there and then specific reserves on those two loans? You know, certainly under the backdrop that you gave Mark office reserves for 6% or $55 million basically. Of your $55 million, what are the specific reserves on those two loans?
And then just sort of final question here on office. And specifically that $45 million exposure, that bank we just filed, they're a part of it. And you guys, it looks like we're the lead i.e., Sterling was the lead. Can you just help us think about, again, this is just for the bank well filing, that there was a refresh property appraisal done in April at $105 million. And then five months later, that property is now worth $36 million. So if you could just help us think through any parts of that, that would be really helpful. Thanks.

John Ciulla

Yeah, Laurie. I don't think -- first of all, I don't have all of that information and I don't think I can give you very good answers there. I mean, I'll tell you with respect to [Cecil] and the provisioning for the quarter, there's so many in and out, right? That -- you can't identify the amount of the provision related to a specific credit or even to a specific portfolio because what you're doing is refreshing and updating your risk ratings along with your qualitative factors. And you're coming up with a refreshed life of loan losses for a $52 billion portfolio.
So certainly, the amount of charge offs impacts what you provide, but it doesn't necessarily immediately correlate with where the charge off came from. So I don't think I can draw a connection to those two loans to our provision. I gave you the fact that the charge offs in the quarter, about 55% of the charge offs were related to office loans. Those loans we mentioned being the largest drivers.
We actually had debt recovery in consumer, which offset our overall charge off a little bit. So, again, it's tough to draw those conclusions. I certainly don't have the in place that service coverage and LTVs on those two specific loans now. What I can tell you from the CEO seat is that if they're on non-accrual, it means that there's a question as to whether or not the underlying cash flows can repay the loan as agreed.
So, we might be able to get you some of that off line with Emilyn and Jason, but I can't give you the specifics on those two transactions. We were the lead lender. You're correct. It was, I think a 2019 or 2018 origination significantly pre-merger. So, I can tell you that we were the agent on those two credits, and I think that's the information that I have available to me here, Laurie.

Laurie Hunsicker

Okay. And then my follow up question just switching gears. When in the quarter, did the securities restructuring occur? And then finally, do you have a September spot margin? Thanks for taking my question.

I'll jump in with the September spot margin. September was a little bit lower. We were about 3.31%. Loans came down 8 basis points and the deposits, 2 basis points. I'll caveat that by saying monthly NIM is a little bit more variable than quarterly NIM. I also say that September NIM really represents our repricing dynamics. So far started moving down well before the Fed cuts and there's obviously some lag there with our deposits repricing later with the cut coming in the middle of the month.
We also started holding higher levels of cash in September. So since mid-September, as I mentioned before, we've taken significant action on our deposit costs that 25% be already. And we are confident that our Q4 NIM will come in above our September spot number.
Yes, I think that's it. And then the transaction there was kind of -- it happened throughout the quarter but probably weighted average more to the middle of the quarter.

John Ciulla

Thank you, Laurie.

Operator

Samuel Varga, UBS.

Samuel Varga

Hey, good morning. I just wanted to go back to the securities book, and you commented on the roll-on yields being around 6% expected on the sort of the $5 billion of annual cash flows on that. Obviously, this quarter was $584 million. So can you just comment on why this quarter was lower? Why you expect it to move higher over the next 12 months?

Neal Holland

Yeah, so my comment of that 6%, that was more a mix of loans and security. So kind of full fixed rate repricing. To your point in this quarter, we added a billion dollars with $584 million. I think we're modeling $540 million average for Q4, and our most recent purchase was kind of in between that $584 million and $540 million. So feeling good about our numbers there, but just to clarify that, that 6% of that plus 200 basis points was the repricing of our fixed securities and loans. So that's why the numbers a little bit higher there.

Samuel Varga

Got it. Thanks for the clarification on that. And then on the Brio deposit base, you said the 60% beta. Just to clarify as well, is that on the new production for this quarter, is that the overall book given the short duration of it that's already realized 60%.

Neal Holland

Yeah, the 60% on the overall portfolio.

Samuel Varga

Okay. And then in terms of new production, have you been able to get to near 100% or potentially over 100%?

Neal Holland

Yeah. So I think before the cut to where we're priced now, we're down 30 basis points and 50 basis points for the cut. And we're actively monitoring for potential additional moves. We've done, I think that team has done a really nice job of balancing liquidity versus earnings, and we've been very prudent in our moves. And you'll see more downward moves from us in the future as we've seen pretty good client reaction so far through the first cut that we've made.

John Ciulla

There's no real difference. The portfolio is one rate on the portfolio. So new dollars versus the existing portfolio, all -- it's not like there's diverse product pricing in there. So the way to think about it is one overall beta for the portfolio, which is existing deposits plus new deposits are all getting originated. It's essentially the same, the exact same yield. So the beta on both new and existing would be roughly the same.

Samuel Varga

Got it. Thank you.

Neal Holland

Thank you, Sam.

Operator

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I'll turn the call to John Ciulla for closing remarks.

John Ciulla

Thank you very much. We appreciate everyone joining today and your continued interest in the company. Have a great day.

Operator

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